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Is race politics poisoning young minds? Coleman Hughes weighs in

Big Think | April 2, 2024
Is race politics poisoning young minds? Coleman Hughes weighs in

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  1. @AetheriusComics

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    I'm very glad that Coleman is now speaking in more places. In a world filled with negative views on race, it's great to here a reasonable view. A view that I've always had as well. For years I was thinking that no one in the media would ever see this issue the way I do. I wish Coleman success, as he is helping a lot of people by speaking on these issues, and sharing his wisdom overall even beyond this topic. Cheers!

  2. @mrcuttime22

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Excellent discussion. I feel I should point out that not even Star Trek managed to imagine a colorblind or gender-neutral (I prefer individualistic or egalitarian) society. Alien-ism simply replaced the role of ethnicity and gender on each series, as each alien race was differentiated from humans, sometimes benignly, sometimes not. Most blatant were McCoy's (and others') recurring repulsion about Vulcans' "pointed ears." (I think he even "damned" them a couple of times!) And once race became a matter of "pride," which used to be a "sin," there was NO putting the genie back in that bottle.

  3. @marwar819

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Such an excellent way out of the race war and our deeply divided country. Unfortunately, a lot of black people don't want peace. Maybe whites too, I don't know. Thank you!!

  4. @zeitgeist888

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Coleman gets it. He is incredibly aware and articulate in how and where we have gone wrong. If we as a society could just listen to his view and honestly change to be more colorblind we could improve the situation for everyone. Class is such a better predictor for behavior and circumstance than race ever could be yet we continue to look at race over all other factors. Great long form interview with respect for the answers Coleman gave instead of adversarial style so common today.

  5. @leggoentertainment2947

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    This man is a white supremacists. Using the term "racism" instead of white supremacy in American context or Western context is usually a dead give away. It's disgusting to see him on big think, he's micro thinking if we could call it thinking at all.

  6. @DeezScotts2023

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    The people arguing that working toward a colorblind mindset is outdated are the same people arguing that marriage and the nuclear family are outdated, biological sex is outdated, ALL traditional values are outdated. I understand that it is an imperfect ideal, but using the fallacy of equity as the measuring stick is infinitely more flawed; applying an alternative that inconsistently encourages identity fixation in minority groups while demonizing it in the majority group through an oversimplified oppressor/oppressed analysis is so much worse, not only in that it doesn’t help the minority groups that it pretends to, regressing them back towards our base tribal instincts and alienating them from personal agency, but it actually has the inverse impact of encouraging identity fixation in the majority group due to its patently unfair application. Colorblindness has a uniting quality, despite its imperfection, while DEI initiatives and practices based upon tenets of critical theory only encourage division.

  7. @Azraelcruz23

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Honestly, if I were to give my two cents on this, I think we should stop using the term "colorblindness" and replace it with the more punchy sounding "racial abolition." It would harken back to the abolition of slavery in a way that I think both folks on the right and left could get behind. What do y'all think?

  8. @wbw910

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    The biggest disagreement I have with Coleman is he still wants to hold 1 group to a different standard than another but just by class or wealth. That is still unjust and leans towards Marxism.

  9. @richardluu8322

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Race in policy in todays terrain is just a stepping stone to extreme team building. Globalist want to draw new lines and parcel out power. Im even starting to see extreme team building on the globalist front. Like the globalist actually have 2 factions, unifiers and separatist?

    bruh asian men that grew up and worked in the early 2000's like myself have had plenty of opportunities taken from them just because of preconceived views. Diversity in the universities, diversities in the workplace, 20 years of racial profiling. I agree with most of these ideas, but ostracization is weaponized so well in society. Still thinking of a way to untangle that.

  10. @apple1231230

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    isn't it interesting that this video isnt able to pick up traction? Maybe truly and genuinely people aren't interested in clicking a title which is very provocative and attacks the status quo. Based on my understanding of human psychology and learned IRL environment through going to college and working at bars, the majority of young people seem quite passionate about this topic.
    Could this POSSIBLY be a behind the curtain suppression of content? Or do you think people are genuinely uninterested in this type of video, to the degree that it's getting 1/10th this chanels typical-ish view count.
    Does this seem like the kind of video to achieve 10% click rate compared to the norm?
    Maybe IM wrong and this is indeed a boring video.
    or maybe they're shadow suppressing it (youtube that is, not the channel)

    Great video though, pretty basic IMO. When you see other human think "this other human, treat like human" very basic cave man stuff. You can acknowledge you have underlying biases and all that, but just try you're best to treat them like a walking brain that happens to have some immutable features which they had no control over and says nothing inherently about them.
    thats probably better than "ok lemme just classify every single race i encounter and treat them all differently according to science"

  11. @KayySame

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Being colorblind to me is akin to minimizing or forgetting historical trauma from US slavery and the Native American genocide, so where can the idea of not dismissing those fit in here?

  12. @divergentsouls

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    The problem with taking a color blind approach is this: If White people in power continue to apply race as a factor, then you are essentially asking persons of color (who are already disempowered) to PRETEND that their race/skin color is not a factor and that is all kinds of problematic. Why put the onus on us? Don’t tell me race isn’t and shouldn’t be a factor. Tell THEM. They are the ones who refuse to buy into this crap.

  13. @enlilannunaki9064

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Thanks to the constant race baiting by progressives I am more racist now than ever in my life. Because of DEI if I need to select a professional to take care of an important issue for me I will definitely consider whether or not that person may have reached that position through slackened requirements, and I will choose the non-DEI person.

  14. @psikeyhackr6914

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    How many times have you applied for a job where you had to Do Things besides write or talk, like repair electronic or mechanical devices? Do great on the tests then get the don't call us we'll call you speech.

    Listening to your delusions is just annoying.

  15. @RomeoChapola

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Well he clearly has no idea of the schools of thought he’s referencing, or the epistemological traditions behind them, especially social constructionism. Even the example of a day as a “real” thing suggests he hasn’t thought very hard about academic fields he’s misappropriating to make the book he wrote seem cogent, despite the fact its success is reliant on him being a black man with un-“woke” opinion. White people have been articulating that we should implement color blind policies for years why didn’t the channel platform one of them to make this point? Furthermore, a great number of schools have calculated how campus diversity will plummet and would still be considerably lower with a class based system. We also can look at the UC schools to see how Black and Latino acceptance rates haven’t recovered since they were made to follow colorblind admissions policies. It’s nice that you went to a school where your non-black friends were nice to you, I had the same experience except we gave deference to each others experiences. Your individual experiences are because of color-seeing policies that have given us voices and I don’t see how you can call for their dissolution in favor of inequitable policies.

    Finally, a day is not only a social construct but it is science has shown it’s experientially subjective. Where does the idea that the sun is the correct reference point for our system of time come from? What of the units of time we use? They have no objective basis in reality his use of hours and S.I units follow the assumption that time is linear which was disproven ages ago by Einstein’s work on relativity. His work on time dilation proves that should one move fast enough their experience of a discrete unit of measured time will be slower than someone at rest. Phenomenology of perception is proven true by neuropsychological research on embodied cognition shows that we subjectively experience time and take it in as blocks then glue it together to give rise to the feeling of a linear flow of time. When in fact the line that separates past, present, and future is nonexistent. My point here is that I’m rather exhausted of people purposefully taking gargantuan nuanced fields like critical theory, physics, psychology, philosophy, and biology then making strawmen or boogeymen to publicly spread public misinformation. Colorblind policies ignore that there are still powerful disciplinary institutions that disproportionately exclude black and brown people. Again it feels like you’re just using your identity to make this point which would have to be satirical considering how shoddy and intellectually banal everything you said was.

  16. @JPBerkleeDude

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    While I do agree in theory with what Mr. Hughes is saying, for example about the woke kindergarten, the children will grow up and find out that they are raced beings regardless of any kind of curriculum for example. To imply that is one of the only methods of imbuing the concept of race is short sighted in my opinion. I would love to be able to live in a world where people were truly color blind, but I am aware enough to see the the problems that the non-color blind world has put in place in the past.

  17. @kathiemihindukulasuriya1538

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    I wonder if part of the resistance to substituting class for race is that many Americans reject the idea of class, believing that the American dream transcends class.

    I grew up in the 70s and 80s and there was much more optimism around race. You had a number of shows like Good Times, The Jeffersons, Family Matters, 227 etc that really showed African Americans in a very positive light. I also remember as a child feeling that getting to know people from different backgrounds was like getting a bonus – you made a friend and you also got to learn about new foods or traditions. When I hear my college age daughter talk, there is so much concern about offending others with a different identity (race, sensuality etc), that I worry they will segregate themselves rather than get to know one another as individuals.

  18. @georgecasseus6893

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Again I agree with basing policies on socio-economic factors more than race. That should be the direction of the United States as we mature. However, we can't ignore the massive racial inequalities that have been built over hundreds of years. Yes, we are taking strides to reduce them, but we can't completely ignore race until we can build a better foundation. I've worked in Montclair NJ, and have family there now. But it has a deep history of racial bias and racism. Montclair was a redline city that barred black Americans from owning homes there. Not so long ago. I am so glad that Mr. Hughes has had a diverse experience growing up there recently. It is a testament that a racially integrated America can work. But it hasn't always been like that. And many Montclair residents of color are still discriminated against. There must be a solution that addresses the racial disparities while promoting a future of "colorblind" America.

  19. @georgecasseus6893

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    I can agree with him on color blindness policies that are focused on socio-economic factors. I want that. But it doesn't address the impact of racial bias by law enforcement or the systematic racism that affected these marginal groups in America.

  20. @herrvierkoetter

    April 2, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    thanx Mr. Hughes, just got your book, looking forward to reading it.
    Great ideas and examples for discourses.
    Also good for starting an argument in many circumstances …
    Dangerous thoughts, though. Reminded me on some discussions in Naomi Klein's 'Doppelgänger'.

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